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Poster: lawn_boy2812 Date: Nov 20, 2007 5:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: best post-grateful dead lineup? it is decidedly so...

I'm sure there's been plenty of commentary on these april 99 phil and friends shows on the archive, but i've just started listening to them and i am utterly blown away. Phil and trey have incredible chemistry (not to mention kimmock and trey). Page, sorry brent/pigpen/keith fans, does stuff on piano no dead keys player ever could. You cant justly compare post-jerry incarnations of the dead to the real thing, but this ensemble is undoubtedly most effective at capturing the dead's experimental spirit and creating something new and interesting with these songs. (disclosure: i am also phish phan, but a dead head first and foremost)

http://www.archive.org/details/1999-04-16.paf.sbd.ejade.6413.sbeok.flacf

http://www.archive.org/details/1999-04-17.paf.sbd.miller.25297.sbeok.flacf

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 21, 2007 7:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best post-grateful dead lineup? it is decidedly so...

I love those shows. As far as setlists & jamming, Phil & Friends are what the Dead SHOULD have been. The Dead, especially later in their career, had so many compromises, so much fluff.
Nonetheless, without Jerry, it's not the same, and I'll turn to the early '70s before a Phil show anyday.

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Poster: lawn_boy2812 Date: Nov 22, 2007 9:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best post-grateful dead lineup? it is decidedly so...

i agree. phil really continued the legacy of the dead to a far greater extent than the other members. The rotating, evolving cast of characters composing his bands prevent the dead's music from going stale. These particular shows (and other trey-phil collaborations) are a beautiful collision of the forefathers of jam music with its (then) current pioneers. While ratdog has grown on me in recent years (at least they're playing more dead songs), it is clear from their solo efforts how much more phil embodied the GD experience than did bobby...

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Nov 21, 2007 2:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best post-grateful dead lineup? it is decidedly so...

My feeling is that I think they could have had something (the dead) if they had a set line up night to night, which they didn't do. For me, Jimmy herring and Rob Barraco have to be involved in the band for it to pique my interest. All these other combos are just annoying. I will say that if you have not heard the NYE show from 12-31-03 do yourself a favor and listen, it's pretty damn good.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Nov 20, 2007 6:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best post-grateful dead lineup? it is decidedly so...

I know little about the post Jerry lineups, but I like the Wharf Rat from a few weeks ago. Could be the best one since 1980 (just kidding).

http://www.archive.org/details/paf2007-11-05.paf2007-11-05aud.flac16

I think the other source here on the Archive is better, but I get an error message with that one.

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Nov 21, 2007 12:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best post-grateful dead lineup

http://www.archive.org/details/1999-11-15.paf.bk4061.unknown.5672.sbeok.flacf


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Poster: lawn_boy2812 Date: Nov 22, 2007 9:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best post-grateful dead lineup

jorma is god, i only wish there was more of him on the archive

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Poster: another one Date: Nov 20, 2007 8:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best post-grateful dead lineup? it is decidedly so...

these are great shows, i absoultly love them

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Poster: estim8edI's Date: Nov 20, 2007 8:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best post-grateful dead lineup? it is decidedly so...

trey is a fuckin hack...he sux!

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Nov 20, 2007 10:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best post-grateful dead lineup? it is decidedly so...

key words post jerry. post jerry= i don't give a shit.

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Poster: waynecs Date: Nov 21, 2007 5:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best post-grateful dead lineup? it is decidedly so...

your loss

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 21, 2007 8:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best post-grateful dead lineup? it is decidedly so...

I second that wayne. The fact of the matter is as much as the Dead were/are the band for me and without equal, in later years they just weren't experimenting and taking risks. When Phil was doing those shows they had more fire and life than anything the Dead had done in their rut for a LONG time. Just look at the setlists alone then listen and the playing lives up to the setlists.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Nov 21, 2007 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best post-grateful dead lineup? it is decidedly so...

sorry, i'm just too into jerry, i think it's unhealthy, acquiring shows has become my focus in life. listening to them, my duty. i haven't even heard any jgb shows, so what do i know. they might as well play, they're really old now, and they should take advantage of the opportunities to play the music of the grateful dead while they still can.

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Poster: alycabally Date: Nov 21, 2007 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best post-grateful dead lineup? it is decidedly so...

I love the Dead and always will. Thought Phish the moost over indulgent and egomaniacal band to come down the pike.
But...........The Phil shows with Trey are unreal. I have heard about every Phil show available and the ones with Trey are amped up from start to finish. Shoot, the show from Tweeter in o6, the Glens Falls 07 show....dude you are just missing the boat.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Nov 21, 2007 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best post-grateful dead lineup? it is decidedly so...

i guess i mean all his solo stuff. i've heard people talk about it, but i don't have any shows or anything. i do have the bluegrass stuff, like old and in the way, and some garcia/grisman stuff. know a good show for me to start out with? preferrably from the 70's?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 21, 2007 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best post-grateful dead lineup? it is decidedly so...

Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty much where you're at too. I don't listen to any of the very few post GD shows I have ( TOO, Ratdog, Phil )but this Phil line is an exception for me. As is the other one he did with Dave Nelson band. To me there's no denying how incredible and on this line up with Trey and Page were. Actually Kimock is probably the real factor for me because everything Phil's done since has left me flat. Like you I only collect and listen to Jer.

Curious - haven't heard any JGB? Are you talking the REAL JGB, or this recreation thing which makes no sense to me ( well it makes sense but I don't like it )

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Poster: lawn_boy2812 Date: Nov 21, 2007 3:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: best post-grateful dead lineup? it is decidedly so...

you don't really mean that ghost, and if you do, you're not listening.